Talk:2018 Bosnian general election

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Requested move 11 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. There's no consensus for move. Articles on English Wikipedia are mostly titled using the most common name (as used by reliable sources) even if there's a certain '"official" name preferred by government/organization or individual. (non-admin closure) – Ammarpad (talk) 06:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Bosnian general election → 2018 Bosnian and Herzegovinian general election – The correct and official name of the country; Bosnia is only the northern part of the country. Other countries with more than one region have election articles with full names, such as 2015 Trinidad and Tobago general election or 2015 Saint Kitts and Nevis general election. If there is consensus, the change would apply to other articles on elections in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Varro (talk) 12:36, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose "Bosnian" is the common adjectival form for the country; "Bosnian and Herzegovinian" is barely used at all (see Ngram). Nominator ignores titles like 2018 Antiguan general election (no Barbuda), 2018 São Toméan legislative election (no Principe), 2015 Vincentian general election (no Grenadines) etc. I would say the Trinidadian articles probably need moving. I am not sure there is a common adjectival form for St Kitts and Nevis? Number 5 7 22:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The tradition in Bosnia and Herzegovina (1945-1992, 1992 - ) is "bosanskohercegovački", "bosansko-hercegovački" (Bosnian-Herzegovinian), "bh." (BH.). Common adjectival form in international form is wrong, because it has been spread by inproper abbreviating. Sarajevo is Bosnian city, not Herzegovinan. Mostar is Herzegovinan city, not Bosnian. Kubura (talk) 19:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Common use in Bosnian is irrelevant. This is English Wikipedia and the common form cannot be "wrong" except in your opinion. Number 57 21:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not just in Bosnian, but as well in Slovenian, Croatian, Albanian, Serbian, Macedonian, Hungarian and Montenegrin, and that was not just "common", but official. Dropping adjective "Herzegovinian" has been political scandal and caused disapproval among all ethnicities from Herzegovina. Question is: how the "common use" in English has been formed? Because of lack of knowledge, superficiality or laziness of international journalists, publicists, politicians and diplomats? I do not want to fight over this, I have just expressed my disagreement. Kubura (talk) 18:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Again, common usage in any language except English is irrelevant. Number 5 7 20:29, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As this is English Wikipedia, I am agreeing with the comments made by User Number 57. Also, be aware of meatpuppetry being conducted for this... Mhare (talk) 10:38, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- So, it would appear that Kubura's vote was clearly WP:CANVASSED from hr.wiki (as they recently edited the same noticeboard where the canvassing post was made). Can the closing admin please issue an appropriate admonishment for this? Cheers, Number 5 7 10:48, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support for Varro's proposal. --Mateo K 01 (talk) 15:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Given the infrequency of this user's contributions on en.wiki, this is almost certainly another canvassed vote from hr.wiki (where they mainly edit). I have now removed the canvassing request. Number 57 16:39, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Mateo K 01 has just reinstated the canvassing message, which pretty much confirms my suspicions. Number 5 7 20:11, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "Bosnia" is a well-established pars pro toto in English. – Srdjan m (talk) 18:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. All the english sources used have consistently been using "Bosnian election". --Aréat (talk) 21:41, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed Split

I propose that the sections dealing with the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina be split off into a new article titled "2018 Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina general election" or something similar.. The general election page is intended to discuss the national elections, not the elections in the two separate entities. Besides, the other entity, Republika Srpska, has its own article for its election. Such a change would also apply to other articles for Bosnian–Herzegovinian elections. Ezhao02 (talk) 15:23, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to prefer separate pages for local elections even when they happen the same day as national ones, as they tend to end up completely overlooked by the latter in common pages, but I'm not a very active user, so I will leave such a decision to the others. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 15:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As this is effectively a state-level election, I don't have a big issue within having a a separate one for the Federation. Number 5 7 16:09, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Any suggestions for the name? I feel like "2018 Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina general election" is a bit too long. Ezhao02 (talk) 18:56, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I think it is the right name. Blame whoever thought that was a good name for the Federation. See also 1976 Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands parliamentary election... Number 5 7 19:00, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ezhao02: I think you can go ahead and make the split. There haven't been any objections to it, and we already have the separate articles for Republika Srpska. Cheers, Number 5 7 08:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've started it at my sandbox. You're welcome to add on to it before I create the page if you want. Ezhao02 (talk) 23:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Messed up my ping. Ezhao02 (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]